Bush Said No
Well... it seems like a no— probably had his flip-flops on. It is deep in the CNN archives from Campaign 2000 and worthy of reproducing here.Links have a way of disappearing. Census 2000 had a LongForm similar to the ACS and it was mass-mailed to everyone on April 1, 2000 (no foolin'!). Enough media scrutiny and public discussion sent the whole ACS operation into stealth mode. Divide and conquer— stay under the radar. Make people crabby and more suspicious.
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Census 2000 too nosey?
Republicans criticize long-form questions
March 31, 2000
Web posted at: 3:40 p.m. EST (2040 GMT)
Why answer them? It's required by law.
But presumptive GOP presidential nominee George W. Bush said Thursday
he's not sure he would fill out the detailed version of the questionnaire, which
goes to one in six of the country's 115 million households.
"We want as accurate a count as possible, but I can understand why people
don't want to give over that information to the government," Bush said Thursday
during a campaign stop in Milwaukee. "And if I have the long form, I'm not sure I
would, either."
The Texas governor stopped short of advising people not to complete the form.
But he said, "If they're worried about the government intruding into their personal
lives, they ought to think about it."
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/03/31/census.01/#2 (plan B if my links don't work, I'm a novice)
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Worried about the government intruding into their personal lives? Oh, let me count the ways.
Well... it seems like a no— probably had his flip-flops on. It is deep in the CNN archives from Campaign 2000 and worthy of reproducing here.Links have a way of disappearing. Census 2000 had a LongForm similar to the ACS and it was mass-mailed to everyone on April 1, 2000 (no foolin'!). Enough media scrutiny and public discussion sent the whole ACS operation into stealth mode. Divide and conquer— stay under the radar. Make people crabby and more suspicious.
___________________________________________________________
Census 2000 too nosey?
Republicans criticize long-form questions
March 31, 2000
Web posted at: 3:40 p.m. EST (2040 GMT)
Why answer them? It's required by law.
But presumptive GOP presidential nominee George W. Bush said Thursday
he's not sure he would fill out the detailed version of the questionnaire, which
goes to one in six of the country's 115 million households.
"We want as accurate a count as possible, but I can understand why people
don't want to give over that information to the government," Bush said Thursday
during a campaign stop in Milwaukee. "And if I have the long form, I'm not sure I
would, either."
The Texas governor stopped short of advising people not to complete the form.
But he said, "If they're worried about the government intruding into their personal
lives, they ought to think about it."
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/03/31/census.01/#2 (plan B if my links don't work, I'm a novice)
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Worried about the government intruding into their personal lives? Oh, let me count the ways.
posted by JJ @ 7:02 PM
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22 Comments:
The American Community Survey is sent to 1 in 6 Americans, illegal aliens, prison inmates, and abandon buildings. 250,000 are sent every month. Chances are you will receive one. On April 1st (April Fools Day, how apropos) the 10 year census will be taken. If you have not already received a long form (ACS) then you will be receiving the short form.
The census bureau does have a refusal procedure.
www.censusthis.com
Well I am in stage 3 now, the phone calls have started and they can whistle "Dixie" or shove it up their "Jacksie" because if I do speak to someone when they start knocking on my door, it will not be politely as I ask them to leave my property.
This is how The Nazis and their socialism took hold in the 30's and it made it much easier to target and round up persons that they needed to jail or exterminate, the blind the infirm, the homosexuals, the wrong color, the wrong religion or ethnic group.
Is this real America "Land of The Free and The Brave" what a joke this survey is and degrading.
A co-worker received her copy of this "American Community Survey" and brought it in for me to look at. I am outraged at the invasiveness of the questions! I would say this is shocking in its intrusiveness, but then again - look what our beaurocrats are doing all across the board. I will NOT answer this survey if I receive one. Folks, be very wary. Our freedom is being undermined at every turn!
Peg in Midlothian, VA
My husband just told me he was filling this thing out and wanted me to figure out what we spend in utilities a year. I'm not about to spend my time, if the goverment wants to know, let them spend their time. He said it was the law but what will happen to us if we don't fill this out? He is best off filling out the servey being done by Vanderbilt Univ. on prostate cancer, that would do more good!
We received the Survey and I too was shocked I kept thinking of old Russia, Big Brother, and the like.
My Husband just took it and started filling it out. When I protested about it he just said we had to, it was the law. I received a phone call today from (ACS), a woman with an accent India, I think, asked all the questions over again. I'm thinking what's wrong with this picture. Our Government is way out of hand.
Before the nice lady at the ACS hung up, she informed me that I had been listed as refusing to answer the survey.
We may decide to not answer the survey and in doing so we are breaking the law. I honestly don't think that the Office of Management and Budget are trying to become "BIG BROTHER", they just love to collect information thinking that it will help the under privileged. In doing so they are encouraging "BIG GOVERNMENT".
A 2008 statement by Susan E. Dudley, Administrator, Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs U.S. Office of Management and Budget before a subcommittee about "Does Federal Statistical Data Adequately Serve People Living with Disabilities?", provides some insight into the thinking. She gave high praise to the ACS and makes it clear that the ACS has replaced the Decennial Census long form and will provide data annually, rather than only once a decade. Her goal is to focus on the non-institutionalized population ages 18 and over for the health status and including obesity, risk behaviors such as smoking and alcohol use, insurance coverage, and access to health care.
I noted that lack of insurance coverage has now been lumped into a category with smoking and drinking as a bad thing. The question then becomes do we have the freedom to do things that are bad for us? And how far should we let government go in enforcing this.
After reading the statement on the back of the form, and checking out approval number from the Office of Management and Budget, OMB No. 0607-0810 I discovered that it had expired on 5/31/2008.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/rewrite/library/OMBINV.USDA.COMMERCE.html
OMB NO: 0607-0810 EXPIRATION DATE: 05/31/2008 RESPS:3,160,610 HOURS:1,917,410 COSTS(000):$0 The American Community Survey FORMS: ACS-1 ACS-1SP ACS-1PR ACS- 1PR(SP) ACS-290 ACS-1GQ ACS-4GQ
I don't fill out any forms. I don't watch television. I try my best to be completely off the radar. I hate he corporation that is America. If anyone of us harrassed someone by telephone we would be arrested. If we raised an army for the purpose regime change in another nation, we would be imprisoned. If we collected the data the ACS does and sold it to businesses as the ACS does, we would be charged with identity theft crimes. Double standard? No, sounds like once again the government thinks it is above the law. Shut Them Down!
I urge you to find your name in the ?American Community Statistics. Won't happen. Do some research. intelligence is Free. You were born with intelligence.
January 28, 2010
Ex-IBM Employee reveals TV Abandoned Analog Band to Make Room for RFID
while the American people, especially those in Texas and other busy border states, have been inundated lately with news reports advising them to hurry and get their expensive passports, “enhanced
driver’s licenses,” passport cards and other “chipped” or otherwise
trackable identification devices that they are being forced to own,
this digital television/RFID connection has been hidden, according to
Patrick Redmond.
Redmond, a Canadian, held a variety of jobs at IBM before retiring, including working in the company’s Toronto lab from 1992 to 2007, then in sales support. He has given talks, written a book and produced a DVD
on the aggressive, growing use of passive, semi-passive and active RFID
chips (Radio Frequency Identification Devices) implanted in new
clothing, in items such as Gillette Fusion blades, and in countless
other products that become one’s personal belongings. These RFID chips,
many of which are as small, or smaller, than the tip of a sharp pencil,
also are embedded in all new U.S. passports, some medical cards, a
growing number of credit and debit cards and so on. More than two
billion of them were sold in 2007.
Explaining the unsettling crux of the matter, he continued: “The reason they are doing this is that the [UHF-VHF] analog frequencies are being used for the chips. They do not want to overload the chips with
television signals, so the chips’ signals are going to be taking those
[analog] frequencies. They plan to sell the frequencies to private
companies and other groups who will use them to monitor the chips.”
Albrecht responded to that quote only by saying that it sounds plausible, since she knows some chips will indeed operate in the UHF-VHF ranges.
“Well over a million pets have been chipped,” Redmond said, adding that all 31,000 police officers in London have in some manner been chipped as well, much to the consternation of some who want that
morning donut without being tracked. London also can link a RFID chip
in a public transportation pass with the customer’s name. “Where is
John Smith? Oh, he is on subway car 32,” Redmond said.
He added that chips for following automobile drivers – while the concept is being fought by several states in the U.S. which do not want nationalized, trackable driver’s licenses (Real ID ) – is apparently a
slam dunk in Canada, where license plates have quietly been chipped.
Such identification tags can contain work history, education, religion,
ethnicity, reproductive history and much more.
Farm animals are increasingly being chipped; furthermore, “Some 800 hospitals in the U.S. are now chipping their patients; you can turn it down, but it’s available,” he said, adding: “Four hospitals in Puerto
Rico have put them in the arms of Alzheimer’s patients, and it only
costs about $200 per person.”
VeriChip, a major chip maker (the devices sometimes also are called Spychips) describes its product on its website: “About twice the length of a grain of rice, the device is typically implanted above the triceps
area of an individual’s right arm. Once scanned at the proper
frequency, the VeriChip responds with a unique 16 digit number which
could be then linked with information about the user held on a database
for identity verification, medical records access and other uses. The
insertion procedure is performed under local anesthetic in a
physician’s office and once inserted, is invisible to the naked eye. As
an implanted device used for identification by a third party, it has
generated controversy and debate.”
“Nigel Gilbert of the Royal Academy of Engineering said that by 2011 you should be able to go on Google and find out where someone is at anytime from chips on clothing, in cars,cellphones
Wow, amazing how many people love the freedoms granted them. And then feel free to make it harder for Americans working to honor the system. I find it sad that people continually try to make it harder for others in the community. A survey used to allocate funds and other purposes out taxes go to pay to help improve our countries infrastructure. All because of the guise of fear. A short survey is causing all of this. Well fine, that stop using our roads, stop using our gas which is subsidized by the government, when you need the police, don't call them, and forget jury duty. When you need to take someone to court, lets forget that too. Why not forget the consitution, all the work that was put into it, is somehow translated into Americans not having to do any work. Wrong. Some people just take take take. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But is a shame that helping the community is too much for some people. You preach about states rights and local rights, and then you simply impede in the way. Why not educate yourselves and learn how the funds are allocated? Or be lazy and just complain that somehow FREEDOM in this country means FREEDOM not to have to help. This country only maintains itself if we are do some work. Spending 20 minutes filling out a survey seems hardly much to ask for all of the FREEDOMS that our soldiers, and past relatives, and fore fathers granted you today
So you find it sad....... That we won't take 20 mins to fill out a survey for the gov to spend money it doesn't have on projects for which is has no authority under the Constitution. Freedom to me means that the elected officials respect the oath they took to protect and defend the Constitution.
You're an idiot! Can you think for yourself without recycling the old, worn out CD talking points? Bet you can't read or understand the Constitution either. Nope, you just want to drone on about how we won't do what you want. Well, get use to it.
Yes, some people take, take, take and all that has occurred because of lefty/marxists like you who think that filling out the ACS makes this country better. I help plenty of people directly and I don't need or want gov middlemen deciding things for me.
Get over yourself.
File under: The road to hell is paved with good intentions or the massive stupidity of a nanny state gov is here to have you pay them to control your life......
I am the master of my fate and the captain of my soul.
We are called to self-determination. A culture of entitlement will not survive, nor will those who enable it.
Harry Frankfurt concluded that:
The bullshitter is more motivated to create an impression of himself rather than to communicate substantial true material.
BS may be more insidious than lying.
They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about the truth and falsity are irrelevant. They even deceive themselves.An honest man speaks what he believes to be true. A bullshitter cares about neither the truth nor the lie. He says what needs to be said to suit his purpose.
The ACS is based on lies, marketed with lies and justified with lies. A program base upon so many lies is then supposed to be trusted to be for the public good. Not exactly inspiring trust.
Here is the challenge.... all you data junkies and info mafia.
Get out of the shadows and lay out your best argument for the survey. Tell the truth rather than spin, insults and lies.
1) The CB originally designed the surveys as busy work to keep the CB going between decennial population counts. JOB SECURITY!
2) Then the CB created its own supporters by creating the clipboard majors, those pesky morons who have degrees is social science because they couldn't get good grades in anything else. Data Junkies!
3) These data junkies along with the CB decided to use the laws covering the enumeration to allow the invasion of privacy because the public would not willingly give out personal info for research. So get it with leverage, who cares if it violates the 4th, 5th or 10th amendments.
4) When the public resisted the personal intrusion from the census long form, the ACS was created.
5) During testing for the ACS, the CB learned that a voluntary survey didn't produce a high enough response rate. The CB along with all their dependent supporters petitioned congress for the
"mandatory" to increase the response rate. Every year, CB supporters get to submit new questions for the survey.
6) No fines have been imposed because congress didn't give that authority when the "mandatory" was allowed. Without fines, no person has standing in the courts to have an open discussion or a ruling on the constitutionality of the intrusion.
Remember,the gov has no money. It has to thieve it from the private sector because we the people create wealth. So WE pay for the programs, the roads, the schools, etc and the gov gets to hire people to DECIDE which communities will benefit and how many strings will be attached. These programs get used by politicians to pander for votes and entrap the poor with perpetual dependency. I think our communities would benefit more by having us spend OUR money in OUR communities the way we want it spent. Instead we have gov employees with questionable competence and no knowledge of our communities given the power to force programs on us that may not be in our best interest. A community is much complex than data collection can ever show.
The Constitution requires the CB to count "persons" and prohibits "sampling". The federal gov has 8 enumerated powers and none of those powers include invading privacy with surveys, no matter how important the info might be to those who use it to stay employed.
I was harassed in 2007 by these people.Accusing me of hiding a mobile home in my backyard.(Nothing was there)Told they could go back there and check any time they wanted to. Said they talked to all my neighbors.Had a horrible ugly attitude from the start. Threatened me with fines. Left a card on my door to call them. Big mouth husband who loves to talk about himself to strangers called and answered questions,even though I was against it. And Now in 2012 they are starting this crap again.New years eve received first survey.Then received second survey and 2 reminder cards saying if its not sent in soon they will come to my door. Its pure harassment.
Sorry, Anon. Once the "residence" is "randomly" chosen, it will most likely get harassed 5 years later. The Data collection methodology was designed to TRACK differences or TRACK the progress of occupants of a residence. These people are SNOOPS and are using the CB as a front to gain access to info that the social engineers want and can't get because the public won't cooperate.
The Beginning of the End of the Census? Appearing today in the NYT.
"Researchers depend on a survey that Republicans consider intrusive." Well, doesn't that just say it all! Researchers depend.... not the American citizens... freekin' researchers!
"It tells Americans how poor we are, how rich we are, who is suffering, who is thriving, where people work and what kind of training people need to get jobs, blah, blah, blah......" Based upon what criteria? According to whose infinite wisdom? The whole article is about when congress needs to know something, it adds a question, Not entirely true, but when has the Cb been involved with pedaling the truth.
The flush toilet question is so the gov can assess groundwater contamination in rural parts of the country. You've got to be kidding me! Come on, CB... is this really the best you can do?
A glance at the graph showing the explosion of questions over time is enough justification for shutting the whole thing down!
What has been the public benefit for all this intrusion? More likely, it has served to create the biggest pile of mis-information which has warped policy in the wrong direction. We have stupid people in charge of collecting data, which in the end, doesn't allow them to formulate anything at all. The biggest problem is that all this data has been used to make decisions which have turned out to be totally wrong for the American public.
File under: and another moron writes....
Mike Maciag (5/28/12 governing.com) has a typical article on the bennies of the ACS. I wondered if he bothered to fact check any of his dribble.
He states: "The annual survey is the gold standard for the current demographic data and a key factor in funding allocations for state and local governments - providing a snapshot on everything from vacant housing units to immigrant populations. Without it, officials would rely on less precise estimates to guide policy making."
More like a photo-shopped version of fool's gold. He doesn't bother to report the problems in the methodology, the imputation and the low sample size which renders the data next to useless.
He reports that the CB claims a 97.5% response rate in 2010 for the survey. No survey gets a 95% response rate, unless "go to hell" qualifies as a response. The 2010 decennial didn't get a response rate that high.
As legislation moves forward to end the survey, expect more mindless dribble and outright LIES to be spewed from the dimwits in the media.
Local govs can collect better info than the CB and local policies should be directed by the local voters. The towns in Westchester county are discovering that the feds can mandate a racial quota for their towns, force them to use their own money to build housing and advertize for minorities from other states to fill the units. Want your town to have state planned diversity based upon the race question or would you like to have a say in the planning? This survey is insidious.
File under:It is getting nuts out there....
The nanny state socialists are having a total melt down over anything happening to their beloved ACS.
It's time to clear up some miss info being spewed out there.
Andrew Leonard (salon)in GOP to modernity: stop,states The Constitution specifically enjoins congress to gather demographic info "in a manner as they shall by law direct". The Constitution mandates an enumeration of "persons" not demographic information. "In a manner as they shall by law direct", means that congress shall decide how and when the enumeration of "persons" is done. The methodology of collecting the count and has nothing to do with collecting other demographic info or gathering info to gerrymander districts by race to keep one party in power.
In Stop the craziness, restore the ACS, the editorial board writes that congress passed a law to create the ACS. WRONG!! I wish these guys would do some research. What law???? Passed when??? The ACS was created in committee during the Clinton administration because the public rebelled against the 2000 census long form. So a gov lawyer sat down and wrote a letter stating that since the CB had a history of asking questions on the long form and the ACS was the new long form, then the ACS was covered under decennial census law. There was no law which established the ACS. Further, the Constitution does not allow for "sampling", which is the sole purpose of the ACS.
Check out World Net Daily, Rutherford Institute or John W. Whitehead for the correct info on the ACS.
File under: Did the CB over play its hand?
After weeks of reading many articles by media types and social scientists, who are totally bent out of shape over the possibility of being deprived of their precious data, it is clear that all supporting the ACS have participated in its demise. At this point, it doesn't matter if congress votes to stop the collection, the public has already decided that it is unconstitutional and an invasion of privacy. The supporters can continue to focus on the CB responsibilities to collect data, while ignoring the limitations on what the gov can do as spelled out in the Bill of Rights. There is no authority given to the federal gov to collect this data no matter how important any group feels it is to have. These same groups petition congress for money so that they can make judgments on the data the gov "forced" the public to give up, so that these groups can then "force" more stuff on the public, using public money. Well, the free ride is coming to an end. No matter how much whining there is or insults to call the taxpaying public, the party is coming to an end, because LIES built this house of cards and the ACS won't make it beyond the next census.... and that's being generous!
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